tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15891023.post7723564169525357904..comments2024-03-27T15:07:58.078+05:30Comments on Plus Ultra: FreedomRajhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09367344161081393779noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15891023.post-17118970208626780792007-12-28T12:06:00.000+05:302007-12-28T12:06:00.000+05:30Filarial, yes there are regulations in place and y...Filarial, yes there are regulations in place and yes, the compliance in third world countries is notoriously lax. <BR/><BR/>But, that’s not the whole issue. <BR/><BR/>When there is unrestricted and unregulated consumption of all kinds of goods in developed countries, to that extent, there is expenditure of energy, depletion of non-recylable resources and release of non-sequesterable CO2. I invite you to watch the video, ‘The story of stuff” that I had posted on earlier.Rajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09367344161081393779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15891023.post-74440082865245073792007-12-28T11:59:00.000+05:302007-12-28T11:59:00.000+05:30John, I visited your website. I acknowledge that y...John, I visited your website. I acknowledge that you have argued rationally and with painstaking detail and scientific data, to dispel what you consider are myths on global warming. I don’t see any posts in 2007. Have you examined new data that has been presented by the IPCC?<BR/><BR/>As you say, many of the voices of the ‘global warming alarmists’ are indeed inappropriately shrill and we should not get carried away. Also, the Al Gores of the world have sensationalised it too much, and invited a negative backlash.<BR/><BR/>But, my position on the subject is similar to Pascal’s wager on God. It is safer to believe that a) climate change is happening b) that it is caused due to human action and c) that something ought to be done about it, than to accept the view that regardless of what we are doing, the climate would change anyway. <BR/><BR/>Also, the larger point I was trying to make with regard to liberty is that no individual action can be claimed to be completely in an island mode, without in some way affecting another individual. Your act of smoking a cigarette may be in exercise of your personal liberty, but you are doing it at the cost of mine. <BR/><BR/>So, even if you feel that there is no link between human action and climate change and therefore it is an encroachment on your personal liberty when I protest about the smoke blowing from your power plant stack, it is as much an encroachment on my sensibilities when you let out that smoke, because I believe that it affects the climate around me.Rajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09367344161081393779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15891023.post-39124589743590079852007-12-28T07:48:00.000+05:302007-12-28T07:48:00.000+05:30Here are my thoughts on the subject...this is my w...Here are my thoughts on the subject...this is my website:<BR/><BR/>http://earthintime.com<BR/><BR/>I am not for pollution either, but I am WAY not in favor of collectivizing the human race on a criminal basis due to some real but managable consequences of modern civilization, let alone fantasies dreamed up by Al Gore and his ilk.<BR/><BR/>John DonohueJohn Donohuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15002005729072165615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15891023.post-51385787768711293932007-12-28T00:18:00.000+05:302007-12-28T00:18:00.000+05:30there are regulations in place - just that in thir...there are regulations in place - just that in third world countries it is not implemented... about adding co2 to the environment - the effect of the green house gasses on the climate is not known.. the climatic conditions on which doomsday is predicted is based on 100 years ( as compared to a million years of existence) of recorded climatic conditions which is not enough to really pinpoint a cause for the concept of "global warming" ( on which the scientific community is devided upon as to its existence).. not that i am for more pullution but just something to think about..Filarialhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07212250681745857473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15891023.post-47029748838810671702007-12-27T22:19:00.000+05:302007-12-27T22:19:00.000+05:30John, I can't fault your logic. Yes, from a CO2-em...John, I can't fault your logic. Yes, from a CO2-emission perspective, it is wrong to add a child to the world. <BR/><BR/>But, when you look at the carbon footprint of an individual, you already factor this in. So, a person or child who breathes out Co2 and also consumes more pizzas, pins and paper cups leaves a bigger footprint. The degree of crime is higher.Rajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09367344161081393779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15891023.post-88643601629071639672007-12-27T19:53:00.000+05:302007-12-27T19:53:00.000+05:30What you mean is, you don't want YOUR argument str...What you mean is, you don't want YOUR argument stretched to ridiculous limits. However, your thesis cannot avoid my conclusion, can it?<BR/><BR/>This is your thesis:<BR/>"Every single substance that any one of us, using our individual freedom, quietly produce and consume - from a paper cup to pins to Coke and pizzas- profoundly impacts individuals in distant parts of the world."<BR/><BR/>You use the phrase "profoundly impacts." I am replacing that with the more exact 'violates the rights of' since we are speaking of political action here (regulation).<BR/><BR/>Since my pizza box and exhaled carbon dioxide violate the rights of others, isn't it a crime to bring a child (a new criminal) into existence?<BR/><BR/>John DonohueJohn Donohuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15002005729072165615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15891023.post-43560537601308196962007-12-27T18:43:00.000+05:302007-12-27T18:43:00.000+05:30John, we can't stretch an argument to ridiculous l...John, we can't stretch an argument to ridiculous limits.Rajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09367344161081393779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15891023.post-13653448990361211522007-12-25T22:34:00.000+05:302007-12-25T22:34:00.000+05:30Under your implication that the actions of a human...Under your implication that the actions of a human being, such as exhaling carbon dioxide, impact all others negatively, one must conclude that those actions violate others and the earth.<BR/><BR/>Therefore, isn't it a crime to bring a child into life?<BR/><BR/>John DonohueJohn Donohuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15002005729072165615noreply@blogger.com